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Python and the Programmer
Summary: Bruce Eckel talks with Bill Venners about why he feels Python is "about him," how minimizing clutter improves productivity, and the relationship between backwards compatibility and programmer pain.
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Most recent reply: October 19, 2004 5:40 PM by dog
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The lesser Smalltalk
October 19, 2004 5:40 PM      
Comparing Java and Python is unfair. Why?

Java is more cluttered because it is a statically typed language which by definition has more declarations and fluff than a dynamically typed language. Just like Pascal was considered "wordy" by BASIC programmers (not that Python is like BASIC.. don't get me wrong).

I think Python is great. But when I see Python and Ruby and Groovy I begin to think: "hmmm.. wouldn't it be just a bit better if it were more like Smalltalk".

In the end I've concluded that Smalltalk is the coolest OO language EVER. Everything is cluttered and clunky next to it (I wish I were kidding!). It's only sin was appearing 15 or 20 years too soon.

Python is decidedly cluttered next to Smalltalk, and since it fully takes advantage of it's dynamism you don't need Generics or Interfaces or other such complexities. And it has a VM, garbage collection, and all the other things Java, Python, C# and others have..

Why don't we modernize Smalltalk a bit (a la IBM Smalltalk) and create an open source version of that! (I find Squeak a bit too .. 1980 for my taste)
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