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Via Blaine I found another Smalltalk vs. Java comparison. I posted a link to Chris Petrilli's comments yesterday - it turns out that you can start up a Cincom Smalltalk image multiple times during the interval that is required to start up Eclipse once. Now Blaine points to this Seaside vs. Java Weblog code comparison:

Source Size

Java Struts Version	239,330 B
Seaside version	26,759 B

Most of the Java struct version files contain a copyright notice. When I remove the copyright we get that the Java struts version is 5.9 times larger.

Now look at that through a productivity filter - a weblog is a fairly simple beast (I should know; I've implemented one). Using a Java web framework (one of the more popular ones at that), you end up writing nearly 6x the code that you do using one of the Smalltalk frameworks. Writing that much extra code is going to eat into some of your time... time you might otherwise be using to do testing or adding features.