While in London for a conference, Ted Neward ran into Adrian Trenaman, a fellow Web services geek who���s been working with Web services for some years now, including having written several training courses on several different Java WS-* implementations. Naturally, their conversation swung from the usual ���How are you enjoying the conference?��� small talk to the more interesting - and heated - discussion of building Web services in general. Fortunately, unknown to either of them, a small digital recorder was capturing their conversation, and in an exclusive, highly-sensitive deal involving no fewer than three countries and two intelligence agencies whose name we���re not even allowed to think about, much less disclose, the transcript of that conversation is now being made public through TheServerSide Interoperability Blog.