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Simon Phipps: All that just ended. An unprecedented collection of Debian developers, Ubuntu developers, Sun engineers and Sun lawyers has spent months devising a new binary license for the Java platform, together with the parts for new installers, so that the Java platform is available on GNU/Linux in a way that "just works". Yes, you can now apt-get install sun-java5-jre and have it install without fuss on Debian and Ubuntu. Gentoo will have it soon too.

I bet the Red Hat folks are saying: "It's still not Free Software!" And the Sun folks are laughing there heads off: "Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah."

As a long time Red Hat/Fedora user, all I want to say is "Guys, work it out. Make it so that I can yum install sun-java5-jdk and have it installed without fuss.

(If they don't, I'll give up Java altogether and become a Ruby-on-Rails fanatic.)